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<blockquote><font color="green">'''''In an age-gap relationship involving an adult and a minor, exploitation is not only an automatic consequence but the willed action of the adult. At the most extreme end (with pedophiles), this lust is a ravenous, destructive and fundamentally narcissistic "affection". The predator makes civil advances, but eventually unleashes his violent, grasping impulses unto the child as he begins to anticipate orgasm.'''''</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font color="green">'''''Let me tell you something about how these slime operate. They live and they breathe, just to exploit the weak and needy. Pedophilia is pathological narcissism let loose on the vulnerable. While molesters might be able to play the "lover" role initially, this is a ruse. From the testimonies of children who have escaped the pedophile's clutches alive, it becomes apparent this lust is grasping, ravenous and destructive - an orgasmic violence <u>beyond his own control.</u>'''''</font></blockquote>
There is [[Research: Psychopathy and abnormal psychology|no evidence]]<ref>[http://www.mhamic.org/characteristics/characteristicsintro.htm MHAMIc - Characteristics]</ref> to show that sexual affection is psychologically intertwined with a destructive impulse. There are also [[Research: Sexual repression|many documented harms of sexual repression in childhood]].


This outdated exreme-patho perspective from the 1970s and 80s makes zero [[Debate Guide: Evolutionary logic|evolutionary sense]] concerning pedophilia since:
There is [[Research: Psychopathy and abnormal psychology|no evidence]]<ref>[http://www.mhamic.org/characteristics/characteristicsintro.htm MHAMIc - Characteristics]</ref> to show affective sexuality is psychologically intertwined somehow with a destructive impulse. There are also [[Research: Sexual repression|many documented harms of sexual repression in childhood]], which might explain the combination of "reptilian" behaviors and puritanical beliefs among psychopathic attackers and murderers who target women and children.


*The younger members of a species are physically the most vulnerable.
This outdated pathology perspective from the 1970s and 80s makes zero [[Debate Guide: Evolutionary logic|evolutionary sense]] concerning pedophilia, since:
*Pedophilia is [[Research: Prevalence|relatively common]] in humans, common enough to cause severe harms if it is indeed destructive.  
 
*Pedophilia is [[Research: Prevalence|relatively common]] in humans (1-5% of men), i.e. common enough to cause severe and visible harms if it is indeed destructive and uncontrollable.
*The younger members of a species are until a certain age, physically the most vulnerable. Therefore if (during any time of prolonged peace) a population's pedophiles repeatedly raped, maimed and killed their own children, said society would die out within a few generations.


One who argues this position has clearly failed to consider the above factors in combination. They have also clearly not taken the time to browse thru [[Minor attracted community|MAP communities]], or if they have, they are deliberately seeking to misrepresent minor attracted people (we have sometimes personally witnessed this tendency in vigilante groups). Our [[Research|research resources]] on minor attraction document various studies that use samples from the online community. Pedophilia, is as its etymology suggests, a philia (love). Ask a pedophile, or someone who admits to feeling sexually attracted towards children, since they are best placed [[Debate Guide: Your arguments must be self-serving|to speak on these matters]].
One who argues this position has clearly failed to consider the above factors in combination. They have also clearly not taken the time to browse thru [[Minor attracted community|MAP communities]], or if they have, they are deliberately seeking to misrepresent minor attracted people (we have sometimes personally witnessed this tendency in vigilante groups). Our [[Research|research resources]] on minor attraction document various studies that use samples from the online community. Pedophilia, is as its etymology suggests, a philia (love). Ask a pedophile, or someone who admits to feeling sexually attracted towards children, since they are best placed [[Debate Guide: Your arguments must be self-serving|to speak on these matters]].


Throughout human history and the development of psychology as a discipline, sensuality and violence have stood apart as virtual opposites, only combining in some instances of attempted mating and erotic humiliation in societies that are largely sex-negative or tolerant of violence. Despite the relative popularity of the pathological model in the hysterias of the 70s, 80s and following decades, science that debases such a theory has always existed, yet has been ignored in the clamor for a new folk-devil. Laboratory studies suggest that pleasure and violence have a reciprocal inverse relationship in which ''the presence of one inhibits the other''. The repression of sensuality and sexual outlet, especially in adolescence does not only deny pleasure. In fact, the poor example said denial of affection and sexual pleasure sets is more likely to lead to violence.<ref>[http://www.violence.de/prescott/bulletin/article.html Prescott - Origins of peace and Violence]</ref> As already demonstrated, there are no outstanding reasons to believe that preferential, non-expressed pedophilia differs from the rest of human sexuality in this regard.
In the fields of psychology and ethnography, it has been observed that the more sex-negative societies, and/or those tolerant of violence, tend to have higher rates of sexual assault. Despite the relative popularity of the pathological model in the hysterias of the 70s, 80s and following decades, science that debases such a theory has always existed, yet has been ignored in the clamor for a new folk-devil. Laboratory studies suggest that pleasure and violence have a reciprocal inverse relationship in which ''the presence of one inhibits the other''. The repression of sensuality and sexual outlet, especially in adolescence does not only deny pleasure. In fact, the poor example said denial of affection and sexual pleasure sets is more likely to lead to violence.<ref>[http://www.violence.de/prescott/bulletin/article.html Prescott - Origins of peace and Violence]</ref> As already demonstrated, there are no outstanding reasons to believe that preferential, non-expressed pedophilia differs from the rest of human sexuality in this regard.


==See also==
==See also==


Nonwestern and Animal perspectives would appear to suggest that the assumptions inherent to these arguments have more to do with human culture and horror fascination (fear of the unknown) than hypothetical innate mechanisms such as sexual pathology:
Nonwestern and Animal perspectives would appear to suggest the assumptions inherent to these arguments have more to do with human culture and horror fascination (fear of the unknown) than hypothetical innate mechanisms such as sexual pathology:


*[[Research: Intergenerational Sexual Behaviors in Animals]]
*[[Research: Intergenerational Sexual Behaviors in Animals]]

Revision as of 18:29, 20 April 2024

Let me tell you something about how these slime operate. They live and they breathe, just to exploit the weak and needy. Pedophilia is pathological narcissism let loose on the vulnerable. While molesters might be able to play the "lover" role initially, this is a ruse. From the testimonies of children who have escaped the pedophile's clutches alive, it becomes apparent this lust is grasping, ravenous and destructive - an orgasmic violence beyond his own control.

There is no evidence[1] to show affective sexuality is psychologically intertwined somehow with a destructive impulse. There are also many documented harms of sexual repression in childhood, which might explain the combination of "reptilian" behaviors and puritanical beliefs among psychopathic attackers and murderers who target women and children.

This outdated pathology perspective from the 1970s and 80s makes zero evolutionary sense concerning pedophilia, since:

  • Pedophilia is relatively common in humans (1-5% of men), i.e. common enough to cause severe and visible harms if it is indeed destructive and uncontrollable.
  • The younger members of a species are until a certain age, physically the most vulnerable. Therefore if (during any time of prolonged peace) a population's pedophiles repeatedly raped, maimed and killed their own children, said society would die out within a few generations.

One who argues this position has clearly failed to consider the above factors in combination. They have also clearly not taken the time to browse thru MAP communities, or if they have, they are deliberately seeking to misrepresent minor attracted people (we have sometimes personally witnessed this tendency in vigilante groups). Our research resources on minor attraction document various studies that use samples from the online community. Pedophilia, is as its etymology suggests, a philia (love). Ask a pedophile, or someone who admits to feeling sexually attracted towards children, since they are best placed to speak on these matters.

In the fields of psychology and ethnography, it has been observed that the more sex-negative societies, and/or those tolerant of violence, tend to have higher rates of sexual assault. Despite the relative popularity of the pathological model in the hysterias of the 70s, 80s and following decades, science that debases such a theory has always existed, yet has been ignored in the clamor for a new folk-devil. Laboratory studies suggest that pleasure and violence have a reciprocal inverse relationship in which the presence of one inhibits the other. The repression of sensuality and sexual outlet, especially in adolescence does not only deny pleasure. In fact, the poor example said denial of affection and sexual pleasure sets is more likely to lead to violence.[2] As already demonstrated, there are no outstanding reasons to believe that preferential, non-expressed pedophilia differs from the rest of human sexuality in this regard.

See also

Nonwestern and Animal perspectives would appear to suggest the assumptions inherent to these arguments have more to do with human culture and horror fascination (fear of the unknown) than hypothetical innate mechanisms such as sexual pathology:

References