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:''"Pedophilia is sick and unnatural and WRONG!"''
:''"Pedophilia is sick. unnatural and just plain wrong!"''


You seem to believe that something is wrong because it is unnatural (which is not the case anyway). This is not necessarily so. Some of the most useful ideas would appear to have no grounding in nature. [[Richard Green]] rightly asks us to problematise [[homosexuality]] if indeed unnatural equals wrong.
Pedophilia is not unnatural, as I will explain. Hebephilia, in particular, is probably normative. But let's first address the central fallacy of your argument from nature.


Evidence suggests that humans and close relatives have a historical tendency towards relationships between mature and developing individuals. See [[Research: Intergenerational Sexual Behaviors in Animals|Intergenerational Sexual Behaviors in Animals]], [[Research: Nonwestern Intergenerational Relationships|Nonwestern Intergenerational Relationships]] and [[Research: Intergenerational Relationships in History|Intergenerational Relationships in History]].
You appear to believe that something is wrong simply because it is unnatural. But, hold on. Some of the most useful, or at least successful ideas in history would appear to have no grounding in nature - HIV drugs, the motorcar, modern agriculture. For example[[Richard Green]], for example, would ask us to problematise [[homosexuality]], if indeed unnatural equals wrong. Yet, we celebrate gays and their culture in western society.
 
Evidence suggests that humans and close animal relatives have a historical tendency towards relationships between mature and developing individuals. See, for example, [[Research: Intergenerational Sexual Behaviors in Animals|Intergenerational Sexual Behaviors in Animals]], [[Research: Nonwestern Intergenerational Relationships|Nonwestern Intergenerational Relationships]] and [[Research: Intergenerational Relationships in History|Intergenerational Relationships in History]].


:''"Assuming that the average child begins puberty at fourteen years, the vast majority of preteens would be prepubescent. Sexual attraction also requires either masculine or feminine secondary sexual characteristics and therefore, a preteen child would be as sexually attractive as a broom or pot plant."'' (actual argument from Condraz23 on IIDB)
:''"Assuming that the average child begins puberty at fourteen years, the vast majority of preteens would be prepubescent. Sexual attraction also requires either masculine or feminine secondary sexual characteristics and therefore, a preteen child would be as sexually attractive as a broom or pot plant."'' (actual argument from Condraz23 on IIDB)


To the above, a participant argued that a child - in representing a less developed version of a fully developed adult, will always be to some extent sexually attractive. Pot plants or utensils do not have the physical and genetic make-up of small humans who are soon to reach optimum sexual attractiveness. It is also simplistic to suggest that the only purpose of erotic interest in another would be reproductive, therefore negating the [[Debate Guide: Evolutionary logic|evolution]] of attraction towards prepubescents.  
To the above, a participant argued that a child - in representing a less developed version of a fully developed adult, will always be to some extent sexually attractive. Pot plants or utensils do not have the physical and genetic make-up of small humans who are soon to reach optimum sexual attractiveness in late puberty. It is also simplistic to suggest the only purpose of erotic interest towards a young person would be reproductive. There are numerous [[Debate Guide: Evolutionary logic|evolutionary]] biological incentives that are known to underpin strong attractions towards prepubescents. The cross-cultural and cross-species perspectives already mentioned would appear to confirm this by identifying a behavioral end-point.


Considering that most adults admire, in a "nonsexual" the unique beauty of prepubescent children (as exemplified by the child nude's history as an object of artistic study), where do we draw the line between this and "pedophilia"? This question cuts to the very heart of [[Debate Guide: The discursive nature of human sexuality|sexuality as discourse]] - that is - sexuality as a human-constructed and culturally-variable cluster of feelings and behaviours which share a unique, human-given significance. It is simply not good enough to say that ones interest is "not sexual". We must find the pedophile in the parent and the parent in the pedophile, because these complex feelings must at some place have a meeting point.
Considering that most adults find prepubescent children generally attractive (as exemplified by the child nude's history as an object of artistic study), where do we draw the line between this and "pedophilia"? This question cuts to the very heart of [[Debate Guide: The discursive nature of human sexuality|sexuality as discourse]]. Ones sexuality can be seen as a cluster of feelings and dispositions which are only given significance within a social and cultural context. It is this social context that forces us to deny that there is some common meeting place between a parent's love for a child, and an erotic bond. Instead, we split and dichotomies the erotic and non erotic, in order to feel comfortable.


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Revision as of 01:58, 23 September 2021

"Pedophilia is sick. unnatural and just plain wrong!"

Pedophilia is not unnatural, as I will explain. Hebephilia, in particular, is probably normative. But let's first address the central fallacy of your argument from nature.

You appear to believe that something is wrong simply because it is unnatural. But, hold on. Some of the most useful, or at least successful ideas in history would appear to have no grounding in nature - HIV drugs, the motorcar, modern agriculture. For exampleRichard Green, for example, would ask us to problematise homosexuality, if indeed unnatural equals wrong. Yet, we celebrate gays and their culture in western society.

Evidence suggests that humans and close animal relatives have a historical tendency towards relationships between mature and developing individuals. See, for example, Intergenerational Sexual Behaviors in Animals, Nonwestern Intergenerational Relationships and Intergenerational Relationships in History.

"Assuming that the average child begins puberty at fourteen years, the vast majority of preteens would be prepubescent. Sexual attraction also requires either masculine or feminine secondary sexual characteristics and therefore, a preteen child would be as sexually attractive as a broom or pot plant." (actual argument from Condraz23 on IIDB)

To the above, a participant argued that a child - in representing a less developed version of a fully developed adult, will always be to some extent sexually attractive. Pot plants or utensils do not have the physical and genetic make-up of small humans who are soon to reach optimum sexual attractiveness in late puberty. It is also simplistic to suggest the only purpose of erotic interest towards a young person would be reproductive. There are numerous evolutionary biological incentives that are known to underpin strong attractions towards prepubescents. The cross-cultural and cross-species perspectives already mentioned would appear to confirm this by identifying a behavioral end-point.

Considering that most adults find prepubescent children generally attractive (as exemplified by the child nude's history as an object of artistic study), where do we draw the line between this and "pedophilia"? This question cuts to the very heart of sexuality as discourse. Ones sexuality can be seen as a cluster of feelings and dispositions which are only given significance within a social and cultural context. It is this social context that forces us to deny that there is some common meeting place between a parent's love for a child, and an erotic bond. Instead, we split and dichotomies the erotic and non erotic, in order to feel comfortable.