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<blockquote><font color="green">'''''It is both normal and acceptable for children to express a childish sexuality towards one another, but any such feelings among adults are abnormal and problematic. This is because erotic age preference tends to correlate with one's own age throughout life, or at least until adulthood.'''''</font></blockquote> | |||
< | A person's raw attraction to physical characteristics (and by extension, age preference) is unlikely to shift in line with their age, as they progress through puberty. While it is socially normative these days for minors to date among their school peer group and show their affection for one another, this says more about situational factors (proximity, experience, etc) and received standards than any inherent aspect of human nature. Western society forces minors into same-age peer groups thru the education system and indoctrinates them with the idea of an "age appropriate" chronophilia and courtship. | ||
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Such a fundamental change in [[chronophilia]] would require more than changing sex hormones, but actual physical changes to the parts of the brain which control sexual ''attractions''. With some theorists suggesting that abnormal brain structure and even physical trauma are causes of pedophilic attractions, one would have to ask how similar attractions and urges can be expressed as a normative "developmental phase" among youth, only to disappear completely as the person progresses to adulthood. | Such a fundamental change in [[chronophilia]] would require more than changing sex hormones, but actual physical changes to the parts of the brain which control sexual ''attractions''. With some theorists suggesting that abnormal brain structure and even physical trauma are causes of pedophilic attractions, one would have to ask how similar attractions and urges can be expressed as a normative "developmental phase" among youth, only to disappear completely as the person progresses to adulthood. | ||
It has long been known by those experiencing a true, pedophilic attraction, that such an orientation becomes apparent very early in life. In the words of former [[DSM]] editor, Michael First "If you're attracted to children at age 13 you’re going to be attracted to children at age 70." [[Research: A "cure" for pedophilia?#Early development|Others]] would seem to confirm this. This supposed "age appropriate chronophilia" theory is contradicted by studies covering the attraction of females to adult and infant faces <ref>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7172780/</ref><ref>https://www.apa.org/science/about/psa/2004/01/maestripieri</ref> before and after menarche, and Kenrick's research on boys: | It has long been known by those experiencing a true, pedophilic attraction, that such an orientation becomes apparent very early in life.<ref>[https://www.b4uact.org/research/survey-results/youth-suicidality-and-seeking-care/ B4U-Act Survey]</ref> In the words of former [[DSM]] editor, Michael First "If you're attracted to children at age 13 you’re going to be attracted to children at age 70." [[Research: A "cure" for pedophilia?#Early development|Others]] would seem to confirm this. This supposed "age appropriate chronophilia" theory is contradicted by studies covering the attraction of females to adult and infant faces <ref>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7172780/</ref><ref>https://www.apa.org/science/about/psa/2004/01/maestripieri</ref> before and after menarche, and Kenrick's research on boys: | ||
:''"Although teenage males were willing to date girls slightly younger than themselves, they indicated a much wider range of acceptability above their own ages, and also reported that their ideally attractive partners would be several years older than themselves. Preferences of teenage females were similar in pattern to those of adult females, ranging, on average, from their own age to several years older."''<ref>https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-8624.1996.tb01810.x</ref> | :''"Although teenage males were willing to date girls slightly younger than themselves, they indicated a much wider range of acceptability above their own ages, and also reported that their ideally attractive partners would be several years older than themselves. Preferences of teenage females were similar in pattern to those of adult females, ranging, on average, from their own age to several years older."''<ref>https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-8624.1996.tb01810.x</ref> | ||
This puts boys in the [[Research: Prevalence|same ball-park as adult males]] - i.e. a strong attraction to the neoteny of a post pubertal girl or woman. | This puts boys in the [[Research: Prevalence|same ball-park as adult males]] - i.e. a strong attraction to the neoteny of a post pubertal girl or woman. | ||
Some surveys of women on dating sites reveal that the men who "look best" to them get older as they themselves age. While men's attraction to physical features of young women remains stable, they do generally readjust their dating behavior to take advantage of the surplus of older women who become interested in them as they age.<ref>[https://www.businessinsider.com/dataclysm-shows-men-are-attracted-to-women-in-their-20s-2014-10?international=true&r=US&IR=T CHARTS: Guys Like Women In Their Early 20s Regardless Of How Old They Get - Business Insider]</ref> | |||
==Examples== | |||
<gallery> | |||
Corresponding.png|<small>One example, in which the responder seems to be confused as to the concept of [[pedophilia]], rendering it contingent upon the age gap and its social normativity, as opposed to physical characteristics.</small> | |||
File:Screenshot 20210829-024225 Twitter.jpg|<small>The underpinning assumption works in the same way as an argument from ignorance (X has only ever tried Coca Cola (and likes it) so X prefers Coca Cola to Pepsi). However, the fallacious reasoning is rarely qualified in such a way</small> | |||
</gallery> | |||
==See also== | |||
Wikipedia: | |||
*[[Wikipedia:Is–ought problem|Is–ought problem]] - Proponents of this argument may also show a general inability to distinguish is from ought statements. | |||
==References== | ==References== | ||
Revision as of 10:53, 18 June 2023
It is both normal and acceptable for children to express a childish sexuality towards one another, but any such feelings among adults are abnormal and problematic. This is because erotic age preference tends to correlate with one's own age throughout life, or at least until adulthood.
A person's raw attraction to physical characteristics (and by extension, age preference) is unlikely to shift in line with their age, as they progress through puberty. While it is socially normative these days for minors to date among their school peer group and show their affection for one another, this says more about situational factors (proximity, experience, etc) and received standards than any inherent aspect of human nature. Western society forces minors into same-age peer groups thru the education system and indoctrinates them with the idea of an "age appropriate" chronophilia and courtship.
Such a fundamental change in chronophilia would require more than changing sex hormones, but actual physical changes to the parts of the brain which control sexual attractions. With some theorists suggesting that abnormal brain structure and even physical trauma are causes of pedophilic attractions, one would have to ask how similar attractions and urges can be expressed as a normative "developmental phase" among youth, only to disappear completely as the person progresses to adulthood.
It has long been known by those experiencing a true, pedophilic attraction, that such an orientation becomes apparent very early in life.[1] In the words of former DSM editor, Michael First "If you're attracted to children at age 13 you’re going to be attracted to children at age 70." Others would seem to confirm this. This supposed "age appropriate chronophilia" theory is contradicted by studies covering the attraction of females to adult and infant faces [2][3] before and after menarche, and Kenrick's research on boys:
- "Although teenage males were willing to date girls slightly younger than themselves, they indicated a much wider range of acceptability above their own ages, and also reported that their ideally attractive partners would be several years older than themselves. Preferences of teenage females were similar in pattern to those of adult females, ranging, on average, from their own age to several years older."[4]
This puts boys in the same ball-park as adult males - i.e. a strong attraction to the neoteny of a post pubertal girl or woman.
Some surveys of women on dating sites reveal that the men who "look best" to them get older as they themselves age. While men's attraction to physical features of young women remains stable, they do generally readjust their dating behavior to take advantage of the surplus of older women who become interested in them as they age.[5]
Examples
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One example, in which the responder seems to be confused as to the concept of pedophilia, rendering it contingent upon the age gap and its social normativity, as opposed to physical characteristics.
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The underpinning assumption works in the same way as an argument from ignorance (X has only ever tried Coca Cola (and likes it) so X prefers Coca Cola to Pepsi). However, the fallacious reasoning is rarely qualified in such a way
See also
Wikipedia:
- Is–ought problem - Proponents of this argument may also show a general inability to distinguish is from ought statements.