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<blockquote><font color="green">'''''Sexual abusers of children, abuse because of a sexual preference for their targets.<br>Child sex abuse and pedophilia are partners in crime. The latter is the cause of almost all cases of the former'''''</font></blockquote>
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:''This claim goes hand in hand with the [[Research: Prevalence#Non-offending MAPs|equally false]] charge that all pedophiles are molesters.''
[[File:Schmedding.png|thumb|Actual book cover recycling [[Child Sexual Abuse]] [[Often repeated themes in anti-pedophile literature|imagery against pedophiles]]]]
<blockquote><font color="green">'''''Sexual abusers target children who they are <u>hardwired</u> to prey upon.<br><hr>Child sex abuse and pedophilia are <u>partners in crime</u>. Leaving a trail of destruction in its wake, the abuse results from this maladaptive perversion, and creates [[Research: Offender characteristics#Abused-abuser relationship|future pedophiles out of the victims]].'''''</font></blockquote>


While estimates vary, research tends to suggest that only '''10-20% of CSOs meet the regular criteria for pedophilia'''. [[Research: Pedophiles in the criminal population]] gives an excellent summary of the findings. ''Many'' of these men, particularly among the higher estimates of 25-50% likely to be nonpreferentials, or misdiagnosed [[hebephilia|hebephiles]]. The vast majority of offenders are non-pedophiles who have been driven to offend by their personal situations. Such "situational" offending is particularly common in crimes of incest involving younger children. Possible causes include general proximity or convenience, the removal/ageing/disablement of adult partners and general lack of confidence approaching socially appropriate adults.
While estimates vary, research tends to suggest only '''10-20% of CSOs meet the regular criteria for pedophilia'''. [[Research: Pedophiles in the criminal population|Our research anthology on pedophiles in the criminal population]] gives an excellent summary of the findings. ''Many'' of these men, particularly among the higher estimates of 25-50% likely to be nonpreferentials, or misdiagnosed [[hebephilia|hebephiles]]. The vast majority of offenders are non-pedophiles who have been driven to offend by their personal situations. Such [[Wikipedia:Situational sexual behavior|"situational"]] offending is particularly common in crimes of incest involving younger children. Possible causes include general proximity or convenience, the removal/ageing/disablement of adult partners and general lack of confidence approaching socially appropriate adults.


One could even argue that child sex offending is lower among pedophiles. While it does involve some chicanery, it stands as a good example of what you can do with statistics:
==Statistical manipulation==
 
One could even argue child sex offending is lower among pedophiles by way of statistical manipulation:


*Project '''pedophilia in the general population at 10%''' from the 30% equal or greater arousal to prepubescent children in the [[Kent State Study]] and various others.
*Project '''pedophilia in the general population at 10%''' from the 30% equal or greater arousal to prepubescent children in the [[Kent State Study]] and various others.
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Thus, one could argue that '''men in the general population have a 2x higher risk of offending against a child''', when compared to true pedophiles.
Thus, one could argue that '''men in the general population have a 2x higher risk of offending against a child''', when compared to true pedophiles.


Of course, research would seem to indicate the real numbers are likely to be closer to 2-3% true pedophiles in the male general population and  10-20% pedophiles in the (predominantly male) child sex offender population. This would probably infer over 4x higher risk of offending among true pedophiles, although it should be cautioned that this is from a very low baseline, and would confirm the existence of large numbers of non-offending pedophiles in the population. When we expand the definition to all pedohebephilic [[Minor Attracted Person|MAPs]], we find that the "risk" [[Media:Blackmales.png|only roughly doubles]], meaning that a preferential attraction to younger minors is a ''very weak'' predictor of criminal inclination, weaker than some "racial" characteristics, for example.
==It makes no statistical sense to target MAPs==
 
Of course, research would seem to indicate the real numbers are likely to be closer to 2-3% true pedophiles in the male general population and  10-20% pedophiles in the (predominantly male) child sex offender population. This would probably infer over 4x higher risk of offending among true pedophiles, although it should be cautioned this is from a very low baseline, and would confirm the existence of large numbers of non-offending pedophiles in the population. When we expand the definition to all pedo/[[Hebephilia|hebephilic]] [[Minor Attracted Person|MAPs]], we find the "risk" [[Media:Blackmales.png|only roughly doubles]], meaning that a preferential attraction to younger minors is a ''very weak'' predictor of criminal inclination. In many societies where black people are socially disadvantaged, their racial characteristics are a stronger predictor of offending, including a 4x greater risk of sexual assault among black males, when compared to white males.<ref>[https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/blacks-and-whites-victims-and-offenders-aggressive-crime-us-myths Blacks and Whites as Victims and Offenders in Aggressive Crime in the US: Myths and Realities (1999)]</ref>


==See also==
==See also==


*[[Research: Pedophiles in the criminal population]]
*[[Research: Offender characteristics|Research: Pedophiles in the criminal population]]
*[[Research: Prevalence|Research: How many pedophiles offend?]]
*[[Research: Prevalence#Non-offending MAPs|Research: How many pedophiles offend?]]
 
With respect to the abused-abuser relationship sometimes supported by individuals who use this argument:
 
*[[Research: Offender characteristics#Abused-abuser relationship|Abused-abuser relationship]]
 
==References==


[[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Minor-Attracted]][[Category:Debating Points: Adult-Minor sex]]
[[Category:Debate]][[Category:Debating Points: Minor-Attracted]][[Category:Debating Points: Adult-Minor sex]]

Latest revision as of 16:15, 14 April 2024

This claim goes hand in hand with the equally false charge that all pedophiles are molesters.
Actual book cover recycling Child Sexual Abuse imagery against pedophiles

Sexual abusers target children who they are hardwired to prey upon.


Child sex abuse and pedophilia are partners in crime. Leaving a trail of destruction in its wake, the abuse results from this maladaptive perversion, and creates future pedophiles out of the victims.

While estimates vary, research tends to suggest only 10-20% of CSOs meet the regular criteria for pedophilia. Our research anthology on pedophiles in the criminal population gives an excellent summary of the findings. Many of these men, particularly among the higher estimates of 25-50% likely to be nonpreferentials, or misdiagnosed hebephiles. The vast majority of offenders are non-pedophiles who have been driven to offend by their personal situations. Such "situational" offending is particularly common in crimes of incest involving younger children. Possible causes include general proximity or convenience, the removal/ageing/disablement of adult partners and general lack of confidence approaching socially appropriate adults.

Statistical manipulation

One could even argue child sex offending is lower among pedophiles by way of statistical manipulation:

  • Project pedophilia in the general population at 10% from the 30% equal or greater arousal to prepubescent children in the Kent State Study and various others.
  • Project pedophilia among child sex offenders at 5% from Lautmann's study in our reading list.

Thus, one could argue that men in the general population have a 2x higher risk of offending against a child, when compared to true pedophiles.

It makes no statistical sense to target MAPs

Of course, research would seem to indicate the real numbers are likely to be closer to 2-3% true pedophiles in the male general population and 10-20% pedophiles in the (predominantly male) child sex offender population. This would probably infer over 4x higher risk of offending among true pedophiles, although it should be cautioned this is from a very low baseline, and would confirm the existence of large numbers of non-offending pedophiles in the population. When we expand the definition to all pedo/hebephilic MAPs, we find the "risk" only roughly doubles, meaning that a preferential attraction to younger minors is a very weak predictor of criminal inclination. In many societies where black people are socially disadvantaged, their racial characteristics are a stronger predictor of offending, including a 4x greater risk of sexual assault among black males, when compared to white males.[1]

See also

With respect to the abused-abuser relationship sometimes supported by individuals who use this argument:

References