Latest: Dissident Dutch author A.H.J. Dautzenberg alleges serious malpractice on the part of Tim Ballard in his new exclusive: Gruesome Consequences of a Hysterical Witch Hunt, in which mistreatment of his friend Marthijn Uittenbogaard and his partner is also exposed. Both remain incarcerated in Ecuador on trumped-up charges. Legal process has recommenced (see updates).

Debate Guide: "As a parent" or "as a survivor"

From NewgonWiki
Jump to navigation Jump to search
From: NO! Against Adult Supremacy (a collection of Youth Liberation writing, originally published online by Stinney Distro.)

Arguments from experience are fallacious, indicative of ignorance and attractive to bad faith actors.

"As a parent"/"All good parents"

You clearly have no children. If you did, you would never argue for [POV] because all good parents would know what is in their child's best interest.

It was established many decades ago, by victimologists themselves, that the child's own family is more of a "danger" than the general public. But that is old news from the 90s.

The argument detailed here is a genetic fallacy. Parenthood fails to add to or subtract from the value of the argument. As a thought experiment, we could take the opposite tack and go into the intricacies of debating the merits of pedophiles' opinions on similar issues, but that would be equally fallacious. Ultimately, only reasoned, watertight arguments are going to help here. Can your opponent provide them?

No moral monopoly

Also note that hysterical parents do not have a monopoly on deciding what is in "the child's best interest". If they did, the adverse effects of bad policies would mean nothing until a moral-hysteric parent or their child coincidentally became collateral damage.

Parental bias

It may be worth mentioning that parents are often socially biased (a kind of reaction-formation).

"As a survivor"

Look, as a survivor of horrific abuse, I know exactly how harmful sex between adults and minors is. No amount of pedologic handwringing will convince me otherwise!

Being molested (however traumatically) as a child doesn't make your opponent an expert on childhood sexual abuse, pedophilia, or any other topic for that matter. Their assumption is doubly fallacious, as it deploys a false equivalence and then generalizes from unrepresentative anecdotal evidence. As we already know, CSA is empirically invalid, so individuals with unrepresentative personal experiences should refrain from generalizing their own experiences to the detriment of others.

They must also be politely asked to define their experience on two grounds (only fair, since they have claimed that it is of relevance to a debate). Was it 1a) classical - forceful rape, or 1b) new rape (harassment, regretted sex, etc), and 2) at what age did it take place? A lot of former teen abuse survivors sadly feel forced into adopting "CSA" as a label for their unwanted experiences, as it is more likely to draw sympathy and deter victim-blaming attitudes. Most of these people will know that what happened to them was not representative of their peers' sexual experiences, and they can sometimes be reasoned with if evidence is presented.

Assuming bad faith against a self-styled "survivor"

This is a thorny issue, and the strategy we deploy might vary according to our personal style. Most of us draw a line when purported abuse survivors start persecuting/misrepresenting other groups (MAPs) who are in no way responsible for the act described, as this hints at ulterior motives. A conservative approach would be not to accuse them of lying outright, but to point to their abusive, bad-faith actions.

Fallacies and cognitive distortions covered