Puzzles Of The Mind: Two Questions…

January 21st, 2008 by Steve Diamond

I would like to pose two questions…

…most specifically, these are directed towards anti sexuality proponents, who focus on “pedophiles” as their target.

A) What exactly are the specific agendas, of your war?

B) How exactly do you judge your own success, and arrive at the conclusion that your agendas have been accomplished?

…Now, I’d like you all to meet the American pedophile…

…or…well…

There is a problem here…

…You see, the only thing we “know” about American pedophiles in general, is that they are estimated by some to be numbering around 100,000 or so (though, there is nothing concrete to base this on), and they have received one of the most horrible stereotypes, ever held by a minority.

Research studies have been conducted…but, you see…there are all sorts of holes in these studies…

…As fate would have it, the political atmosphere in which we live, makes the availability of “out” pedophiles, who are not institutionalized, and who are willing to participate in studies, almost (though not absolutely) entirely nonexistent.

You would be seen as insane, if you came out with this, when you were not forced out, already…

…and those forced out, generally, have a history of being forcefully institutionalized, after being discovered.

The American pedophile, in his natural state of being, in his natural environment, is almost entirely not a factor, in modern day research studies on “pedophiles”.

The masses of raw data are taken, almost exclusively, from institutionalized “pedophiles”…meaning, those who are in prison, or out on parole…perhaps involved in mandatory counseling…

…These are people, who are not living naturally, faithful to their own nature…

Far from it…These are people under duress.

This is one reason why you can not take your data solely from prison inmates…They are not an adequate representation of the group trying to be studied.

For one thing…these samples are under constant scrutiny…Their data is suspect, by the very fact, that they will be more inclined to “do the dance”, and be politically correct…lest they do anything, that might endanger their ability to make parole.

Secondly, prison inmates are always a bad sample (unless you are intentionally studying prison inmates for the sake of the research), because they will tend to over represent the most violent and extreme cases. Those who are violent, are more likely to spend longer sentences in prison, where as those who were non-violent (possession of child porn, gave a child oral sex once, etc), will tend to serve a shorter sentence (or none at all), and be gone from prison…This leaves the nastier elements, to collect up and make a majority in prison…while the tame cases quickly float in and out.

This leaves the more tame cases, under represented…and it leaves pedophiles who have not committed a crime, as well as those who have committed a crime but never been caught, entirely unrepresented.

…What does this all mean?…

…It means, that research studies on “pedophiles”, are overwhelmingly an unreliable mess.

The only thing we know for sure about pedophiles, is that we know extremely little about pedophiles.

We do not even know how many there are…much less, who they all are…

I pose a question, again…

A) What exactly are the specific agendas, of your war?

…to eradicate pedophiles?…to lock up all pedophiles?…to discover all pedophiles?…to keep all pedophiles away from children?…

Is there anything else?…

Do you have anything, which comes off as being logically attainable?…

…because, based on the mere fact that we do not even know how many pedophiles are alive today, nor do we know how many are born every day…”wiping out the pedophile population”, has no meaning…

It is far to vague to be a specific, attainable goal…

In fact, trying to do anything to the entirety of something which you can not even adequately define, is hopeless.

How do you accomplish such a lofty goal, when you do not even know what it would take to do so?…

That is not even a real goal, that can be accomplished…It is more an excuse…

…which brings me to my second question, again…

B) How exactly do you judge your own success, and arrive at the conclusion that your agendas have been accomplished?

We have already seen what happens, when empirical research points towards things going in the direction of “happy, healthy children, in spite of sex”…

If you don’t like that news, and feel justified in discarding it…then, what news is “good enough” to satisfy you, that children are doing well under the circumstances?

…Will there ever be any news, from any source, which will satisfy your drive to push on?…or, is this just an endless war you are waging, which you never intend to stop fighting?

…If you can not set any concrete goals…and if you can not measure your own success…then, where does it all stop?…Where are the checks and balances set?…When do you say, “we have won”?…When do you determine that you have gone to far?…

When you declare war, yet set vague, unattainable goals…It seems to me, there is zero percent chance that you will win…You can not succeed…and you would never know it, even if you did…

…but, you will have an endless excuse, to keep attacking others…

Ultimately…where is this all leading?…

…Are you honestly trying to protect children?…or have you sold out to scapegoating?…

6 Responses to “Puzzles Of The Mind: Two Questions…”

  1. Strato Says:

    Thanks for posting this, Steve. Again, I must state that I admire your talent for succinctly encapsulating arguments in such a human way.

    Well, it has been 3 days since your post, and as yet there is no sign of a reasoned response from any of our regular detractors. It’s a shame…would have been a freshing change. Not that we should be surprised by this reticence, of course.

    The very nature of a ‘war against pedophiles’ is conceptually incoherent – since there is no common understanding of the terminology employed. The words ‘child’, ‘rape’, ‘consent’, ‘abuse’, ‘pedophile’, ‘attraction’, and so on, have been so distorted as to become meaningless. Yet they are the stock-in-trade of those who declared war. In the Information Age, communication is what links us all. Language becomes the infantry, trenches, rifles and concentration camps. A most insidious turn, in which sophistry can grant or deny liberty.

  2. Viamund Says:

    “The war against paedophiles, ” is a symptom of a war against Human sexuality and expression. There is nothing dangerous or harmful with consensual sexual pleasure. Orgasms are fun for everybody. There is no purpose for an age of sexual consent. All consensual sex is the same. To target a specific group is a method to gain approval for an agenda that this most unpopular and easily targeted group is only a small fraction of the overall purpose. They rely on hype, fear shame and lies. We must rely on our muted approach of pride, courage and truth.

  3. Steve Diamond Says:

    Thank you Strato…

    I would never hold my breath, waiting in anticipation for people, the likes of which I wrote this for, to make a response…

    …Largely because, if they are honest, there is no way they can answer, without admitting something very ugly, cruel, dishonest and unjust, which they support…Perhaps it “lives” inside of they themselves.

    Sadly, I have to say that if a response were to come from our “regular” detractors…I could only anticipate foul mouthed vulgarities, seeing it claimed that “only lies come out of my mouth”, anything but a serious answer to the questions posed…and “Yeah, we’re coming after you/pedophile holocaust” type mockery…

    When it concerns that group, I think we all know that their absence is the only thing they even can give, to improve the conversation (and atmosphere) here.

    Also, I don’t believe they like to come around these kinds of places…It’s like I was saying a few days back…We represent their impotency.

    They’re to busy spraining their arms, patting each other on the back, over all the stolen blogspot URLs…They don’t want to ruin their public illusion (and their own delusion), by intentionally acknowledging that THEY played a critical role in getting several pro-BL/GL resources started up…

    I should say…these resources must be a terrible embarrassment to them…That, and the fact they cant do anything about them…People that vicious about stealing power from others, and prompt to sing accolades to their own “success” and “glory”, don’t much like the world to know that they are a bunch of paper tigers…and these specific cases qualify as buffoons, to boot. :-)

    I agree about the words, too…This situation is insidious. Even the ability to clearly communicate has been inhibited.

    The best we can do, is clearly define the words we choose to use, and faithfully stick to those definitions, when we discuss our situation, various concepts and possible solutions.

    Viamund…

    I agree…and you say a lot, in a short space…

    It’s interesting because, yes…we really are connected to other sexual minorities, in that what we all face, the hostility, the lack of trust…it is all part of a much larger war against human sexuality.

    If the primary conductors behind this effort of aggression and hate, were to be honest with themselves and the world…they’d openly admit that they’d be very happy to see the “plain vanillas” put back into the asylums…and your average, pedophile hating Joe would admit that they’re so wishy washy, that they’d go right along with it, without protest…

    …and the politically correct, “plain vanillas” would be left wondering what happened to their “great victory”…

    I often wonder how it is, that so many of the most vocal in the gay, lesbian, etc, groups…can be so utterly clueless…

    …Happy enough to help sharpen the axe blade, so long as it’s being used on someone else’s neck…daft enough not to realize there’s plenty of enemies who want to use that exact same axe on them…

    It’s the exact same war, with the exact same issues…The fact that the “plain vanillas” are where they are today, is an anomaly, by the viewpoints of many, many people…

    Thank you for the response.

  4. Daniel Lièvre Says:

    If you don’t like that news, and feel justified in discarding it…then, what news is “good enough” to satisfy you, that children are doing well under the circumstances?

    ’tis a fascinating point, that anti-peds are driven to call out a pro-pedophilic agenda before even considering how such empirical studies were undertaken. One would assume that results indicating less harm are pretty good news for those hell bent on crusading against this harm. It just goes to show that the primary objective is not the eradication of harm, but ones own emotional (or monetary) satiation.

  5. Daniel Lièvre Says:

    Steve -

    Also, I don’t believe they like to come around these kinds of places…It’s like I was saying a few days back…We represent their impotency.

    Funny enough, this website – one of the largest collaborative projects that I would assume the antis are set against, is not even profiled on Wikisposure. Other projects which came out of the blogger purge (such as the rehosted ANU blog and your site) are very rarely mentioned. There also seems to be a similar silence over at AZU. We no longer hear the likes of Stitches77 criticising yourself, or indeed any associated blogger. In every sense apart from the big picture, they will only fight wars that they know they can win.

  6. Steve Diamond Says:

    Daniel…

    …”they will only fight wars that they know they can win”…

    Exactly. They are very cheap and shallow, opportunists. They don’t honestly bring anything to the table, except their own, foul attitudes, egos and underhanded nature.

    …It’s funny how little it took to shut them up…

    Now, they are more consumed with making self glorifying, dumb (and out right horrible) videos, and uploading them to YouTube.

    In part, this is what has prompted me to start putting my own content on YouTube…content with real substance.

    We have outclassed them all along, mentally, logically, humanely and ethically…

    I think media on YouTube is just one more area where we can easily outshine them. Heck, my own effort (thus far) has contained more genuine heart and information, than the combination of everything I’ve ever seen them put onto YouTube.

    Them?…They are just nasty and spiteful…and if you bother to look around, you’ll see their more pure admissions of ignorant rage and hate.

    “It just goes to show that the primary objective is not the eradication of harm, but ones own emotional (or monetary) satiation.”

    There is very clearly something going on which stinks of rotten politics and abusive agendas. This is only hidden from most eyes, by the fact that panic overshadows rational grounding.

    Of course, I know that sex abuse is a real thing, requiring a real response…but, when it fans out into this uncontrollable, poorly defined, never satisfied and absolute demanding culture rage…it really is all about opportunistic exploitation…sacrificial lambs, for the feasting of others…

    It is no longer about actual sex abuse, at all.

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