A change in paradigm…

January 7th, 2008 by Steve Diamond

Maybe, it is just catching me off guard…Maybe, I’m just to accustomed to seeing the majority of child lovers retreating to shelter, and covering up from the world?…

…Maybe it is because I’ve never been a member of a “face to face”, “on the streets” group like NAMBLA?…

…but, I just have not arrived at that place yet…where I can easily distinguish the unfortunate and undereducated, who get swept up into the system…from the real gems, who have a genuinely conscious purpose, for our cause…

I used to have a distaste for people like Jack McClellan, who did exactly the sorts of things that he is currently doing. I thought, it played right into the stereotype…and it does…I did not think of it as being more, politically motivated (Why would I? Most people don’t have the guts or the foresight to do this with a larger goal in mind).

…but, then it finally hit me…These issues have got to find their way into the courts, at one point in time or another. The fine points have to be meted out and established…and now I get it…People like Jack are out there intentionally pushing these issues, in order to get things moving.

If this confrontation does not push the courts (and government) to the point of grossly overstepping their powers, with draconian responses (and how can it not?…What is left for them to do?)…then, at the very least, we will finally have concrete laws, rulings and regulations that can be challenged and fought.

If they overstep, all the better…because now the “normal” people will be getting caught up in this messy, unconstitutional, and overly broad reaction, where in they will have to make laws, rules, programs, etc…which they are not even going to be able to defend…much less manage and enforce, in any meaningful way.

I have no criminal record (as most pedophiles, statistically do not)…What would happen if I, or anybody else like me, openly identifies as a pedophile, and starts doing the same things as Jack?…How are they ever going to enforce a double standard, and a second (third?) class citizenship, based upon a biological predisposition?

…and what are they going to do with the tricky situations, of the pedophiles who wont admit to being pedophiles…but, “they just know” that that person is one?…

They will have to enforce everything fairly…but, that is not even possible.

You can not control or punish thought crimes…because thoughts are not crimes…and as the courts and governments try to do this, there will be substantial groups rising to the occasion, in order to put a stop to this…and there is bound to be a backlash, which we can use.

Any way this breaks down, the courts and government will be forced to take a position…and if they go against child love, then they will be forced into a very murky, almost certainly unconstitutional, position…and they will be entirely vulnerable to attack, because they will have abandoned all legally sound ground…

It is funny…because I have been talking about the necessity of conflicts being battled out in the courts, for years now…but, I never actually opened up my eyes, and looked around expecting to see anyone waging these battles…

It is almost shocking when it does happen…

…but, it is very exciting, for sure…The more that is done…the more fronts we can attack on…the better…

[Note: for the record, I don't know Jack McClellan, nor have I ever discussed any issues with him, surrounding this or any other topic...but, his situation does seem to have clearly turned into a political battle.]

10 Responses to “A change in paradigm…”

  1. Raven Says:

    Good post, Steve. I guess I don’t really draw a line between ‘them’ and ‘us’ when it comes child-lovers who get caught doing something “illegal” or even just pushing the line (as Jack M. does), and those of us who are out here passing for perfectly “normal” people. In fact, if you read Perverted-Justice and the various anti blogs carefully you’ll find that what really, really infuriates them is us, the bloggers, the people uploading pedophile rhetoric (I do not mean rhetoric as pejorative here) into the internet. I will stake my reputation on it, but what PJ et al really want is for it to be illegal for a pedophile to exist. That’s right, they want us dead. They want us dead because they can’t argue with us, they can’t win at logical and scientific debates, the antis can’t win when it comes to the arts and who controls what is actually artistic, and they can’t win in the battle to protect children.

    Why? Well, because, quite frankly by the time they show up at the door with their torches and shovels, we’ve been pleasuring little Timmy’s “dirty areas” for the past three years. And how does Timmy respond to the drooling antis: “Leave me alone, I like it!”

    I’ve said in another post that having sex with a boy is an act of civil disobedience, and it is, because of the two paradigms; in this case the paradigm of the antis, which is pain, guilt, suffering, and cruelty–honestly, go read their blogs, you need to truly be a troubled human being to associate with them and believe their ideology. And then there is the pedophile paradigm (the one that little Timmy with a 3.5 inch hard as nails and horny as hell cock wants to be a part of.), in response to the angry mob of antis our message starts something that feels good, call it love, and consent, and continues on with a positive message about sexuality and well-being.

    I’m not saying that pedophiles are usually or even sometimes altruistic. But what it comes down to is ours is the message of love and acceptance while the antis throw around death threats, swear, and will turn their own children over to the wolves (themselves) if they find any inkling about pedophilia in their blood. And this, of course, pisses them off to no end, because they have CHOSEN to be assume the role of Nazis, even when they KNOW what they are doing is wrong. And believe me, they know.

    As far as the courts are assumed, I don’t care for them, I don’t trust them, and I don’t respect their rulings that are against Love and mutual consent. In fact, when they rule against us I just put it on my list of reasons why I should have sex with a boy.

    Yeah, the public figures like Jack and others serve a purpose, a public fight against a draconian, deterministic system. But there are millions and millions of other pedophiles who fight in a different way…

    …I’m think of the child-lovers who are currently having sex with their young friends. These, in their own, quiet, unassuming ways are people who need to be applauded for 1) The love and pleasure they are giving that boy or girl, and 2) for the risk they are taking. At this point, in this relationship, it is the social responsibility of the pedophile to teach his young lover the situation of the world when it comes to sexuality, to teach his young lover that he or she, in their love, is part of a radical movement towards social justice for everyone.

    “The more fronts we can attack on..the better…”

    I agree, but make no mistake, the front of Timmy’s shorts is perhaps the most important mission a pedophile will ever be sent on, ever.

  2. Strato Says:

    Thanks for the insightful post, Steve. I just want to comment upon one thing…your point that:

    “You can not control or punish thought crimes…because thoughts are not crimes…and as the courts and governments try to do this, there will be substantial groups rising to the occasion, in order to put a stop to this…and there is bound to be a backlash, which we can use.”

    I agree, though my caveat would be that, so far as the laws in question only pertain to CLs, there will be no backlash. Governments are already persecuting CLs for thought crimes (the banning of some erotic literature in Canada, for example) and as BLue Ribbon’s recent research demonstrates (see http://anu.nfshost.com/2008/its-all-in-the-mind ), the UK government are considering criminalizing possession of drawings and sketches that depict minors in sexual situations (even if it was simply a doodle you did on your notepad at home). Further, many of the laws already passed or under consideration are directed not at preventing ‘harm’, but aim solely to punish individuals simply because they are pedophiles.

    This would tend to suggest that within the sphere of criminalizing minorities, governments will continue to oppress without fear of backlash.

    Raven: a most refreshing point of view, given the seemingly large number of MAAs who seem bent on adopting some form of ‘moral high ground’ by denying/concealing the sexual element of an adult-youth relationship. The front of Timmy’s shorts certainly cannot be ignored.

  3. Steve Diamond Says:

    Thank you for the replies…

    Strato, I do understand, yes…but, it is not as though the outlook is absolutely bleak.

    I recall a few years back, where advocates of the graphics software industry came out, “guns a blazin”, and gave the sex abuse industry in the U.S. a good, well deserved spanking in the courtroom.

    This is exactly the kind of backlash I am eluding to…the kind where the “everyman” gets targeted by the sex abuse industry, he gets mad and knowing he’s on legally solid ground, he’s not going to take this crap.

    I’ve said it many, many times over…the sex abuse industry is run by fanatics, who just want to keep fighting, and fighting and fighting…there is no “destination” point, where they will have “won” their war. Even if they conceivably could reach such a point, their emotional issues, and paranoia, would not allow them to accept that “they” should stop fighting and attacking others.

    We are dealing with people who, like us, have this fight before them, which has become a defining foundation of their life…very much a “higher calling” kind of concept.

    People come into this fight, for a variety of reasons, some more personal and deep than others…but, it is important to understand, that without the fight…life can spiral down into meaningless, for many (most?…) of the people who attach themselves to this war.

    What am I trying to say?…

    The parallels between the sex abuse industry, and a religion (a cult), are striking…The SAI is a strict, ideology, backed by isolation, propaganda, brute force and even violence.

    The people who do this…even though many of them may know that some of the things they do are unethical and wrong…they believe that the end justifies the means…

    …and when the end is the “only” important thing (just like the concept of “eternal life with god”), everything else becomes…a “calculated loss”…”less meaningful”…”less worthy”, in comparison to the ultimate goal.

    We can rationalize targeting anything, or anyone, when we are trapped in such tunnel vision, having our minds warped with this kind of mentality.

    In other words…there are no boundaries, in the minds of many, many people out there, who are making the SAI exist.

    This leads to conflicts with the “everyman”…and we can surely use those conflicts…

    They will over step their boundaries…and it wont just be people like us, who are getting the shaft.

    This is, generally, the sort of thing I have in mind, when I talk about larger backlashes.

    I don’t believe there is going to be any large backlash in the near future, regarding the prohibition on child pornography…sadly…

    On things like that, I agree with you…We cant really expect much progress in those areas, anytime soon…if at all, in our own lifetime.

    Raven…

    Yes, it is that “line between them and us”, which my post is really talking about…Over the years, I have started learning to dissolve that fictional line.

    That’s not to say, that I still don’t think some things done in the name of our liberation are unwise…or not as well thought out as they could have been…but, I’ve started to recognize that, at least they are somebody out there, doing something, instead of setting on their hands in apathy.

    I think a lot of the problem, is that…even though I do remember a sliver of time before the sex abuse panic took off…I’ve largely lived in, and grown up in, the exact same world of sex negative indoctrination, as everyone else…

    …and you learn to see, people complying to the demands and backing down because of the threats…

    After what seems like all these barren years, where no seemingly credible champions have emerged (I know this is a wrong interpretation, yes)…you just don’t expect to see anyone make the challenges anymore, or fight the meaningful battles.

    This post was every bit as much about my own psychological perspective, as it was about acknowledging the importance of people like Jack.

    …a personal evolution…because even though, by instinct, I know I always have been what I am today…for a large amount of my life, I did not psychologically identify myself with what I am.

    The very first time I ever saw a NAMBLA member staunchly fighting for the rights of pedophiles (back in the early 1990′s), with the guts to get in front of a camera, fighting passionately with a show host and being broadcast around the world…it shocked me to see it.

    It was something I had never expected to see…ever…

    I was not offended by it…Deep down, I knew there was a connection with myself…but, I certainly was not ready to support that guy, or call him “right”…not at that point in time.

    It took years to come out of the fog.

    I like your comment about man/boy sex being civil disobedience, and it has not gone unnoticed by me previously…but, I also think this needs to be happening in mass proportions…and there needs to be some element of structure behind it…so that (hypothetically speaking) we are not all just randomly blowing little boys (and teens), much to their glee, over a passing phase of their life…and then just sort of leaving everything to hang endlessly in secrecy.

    There is no second stage in place, and set into motion…at least not one that I am aware of…

    Sure, the happy kids may come out, eventually…but, they are alone, and left to be torn apart by the sex abuse industry.

    Truth be told, if we cant support these kids in a much broader way…then they are highly vulnerable to falling victim to the victim paradigm, constructed and forced upon today’s public, by the SAI.

    My own life is far more complex, than to say that this is the only thing holding me back from doing that sort of civil disobedience…but, it is a huge factor, which makes me consistently tell people that they really should not do that sort of thing (sexual relations with a minor), in this kind of a social/political atmosphere.

    If we had the confirmed numbers, to where we could overwhelm the abusive system, by staging a mass, “suck boy cock” demonstration…I would be all for it.

    Alcohol prohibition in the U.S. came to an end, via this…and marijuana, amongst other things, could also realize such liberation…if only large enough masses of people would outwardly start smoking doobies, in utter defiance.

    …get into large groups, marching peacefully down main street…blowing pot smoke into the cops face, when he comes to arrest you…

    I’m no huge supporter of marijuana smoking, mind you…but I do think that “this” deserves liberation…just as much as alcohol.

    We need to be able to muck up the system, and bring it to a screeching halt…

    Imagine what would happen, if one out of every ten households, was openly downloading one instance of child pornography, once a day for the next five years straight…and self reporting themselves…

    Of course, many people would be arrested, and they could not complete this course of action…but, there is no way that law enforcement could even manage to deal with more than the very tip of that massive iceberg.

    I do believe…that even given the fact that a very substantial amount of the sexual activity between adults and children is genuinely abusive (and some very destructive)…we still have a vast core of untapped, good sexual experiences, and good sexual relationships going on out there…but, they are useless to our over all liberation, because they are (and will remain) hidden.

    There is no wider vision for these relationships, than what is directly going on, “in the moment”…It is fun to be had for now, but kept private forever, there after.

    That is a huge problem…Nobody wants to be the martyrs…and there is no promise that a larger movement will be there to back them up…

    I think, also…that there is mainly no larger vision in these relationships, because scantly few people are out here, trying to wake people (including them) up to this wider vision…opening their eyes and minds to the fact that…we “could” realize this, if only we worked together, coordinated and built resources…

    Of course, it is important that the boys keep getting the blow jobs…The simple fact that this very sexual orientation will never go away, is vital here.

    …but, as things currently stand, these kinds of activities and relationships are hobbled, in what good they can honestly do…especially in the broader sense.

    To many boylovers, themselves, are disconnected from this whole concept, behind where you and I are coming from today…Worse still, many think of themselves and their life as shameful, or wicked…and they are just out there, drifting aimlessly, susceptible to psychological breakdown…and doing all sorts of things.

    We don’t have an arrangement, where the older, more experienced boylovers are taking the younger boylovers under their wing, teaching them and giving them a sense of meaning, confidence and a balanced perspective (one parallel would be mothers teaching their daughters to raise their own children).

    A grave amount has been lost in this. Boylovers often don’t learn the important things…and any such relationship they might engage in, will suffer consequences for this.

    We no longer have our lineage and legacy in place…

    …Which is where people like us, come into play…We rebuild that…

    I may be starting to ramble here, so I’ll bring this to a close…

    I do respect your stance, and am even known to express celebration for man/boy sexuality, from time to time…

    I just think that the strength and power of this kind of activity…these relationships…is not really being tapped…We need greater infrastructure, to unite people like us, and bring us together. Then we can start using all of our faculties…every “chess piece” on the board, to our advantage…and in ways that make a serious impact.

    Isolated renegades don’t gain political acceptance…and that is the problem that most minorities face.

  4. Strato Says:

    Hey Steve – Thanks for the detailed reply. It’s interesting…I was contemplating an almost identical point, earlier today. Specifically, the ‘war’ being waged by the Antis. (And I was thinking particularly of those who have made persecuting CLs the focus of their lives). One question I would be interested to ask them ( – and if there are any reading this, please do respond), is what would constitute ‘success’, and what would they do once they had achieved it?

    A ‘war on pedophilia’ (just like a ‘War on Terror’) is something that can never be ‘won’…there can be no resolution. Let’s take the extreme-Anti position: prolonged suffering and then death of all pedophiles. It can never succeed: every day, around the world, thousands more are being born. It is part of nature and life.

    Secondly, even if this fantasy could be fulfilled (no more pedophiles), how would the Antis then direct their hatred? Their hatred is obviously an outward expression of internalized negativity (whatever it’s original source), and pedophiles constitute an appropriate outlet for this. If there were none, what would the Antis do with all that bitterness and hatred? Would they finally see that it was compensating for some lack in their own lives, or would they merely direct it to another target?

    Speculation, obviously, since such a goal could never be achieved. But it is nevertheless a (philosophically, at least) interesting issue: the battle they are waging ceases to have any symbolic meaning, it is simply a constantly spiraling battle of semiotics. The endless repetition of signs and codes. Without substance.

    Perhaps it is here that Raven’s suggested form of activism would constitute something genuine.

  5. Steve Diamond Says:

    Hi Strato…

    You are right, it is interesting…In the fairly short lifespan of this blog, I’ve already run into a couple of different (unique) instances, where someone else posted something which parallels something I have either already written (but maybe never posted to the web, as of yet), or I was contemplating writing about for a long time.

    …Maybe truly unique ideas are incredibly rare…or no longer existent?

    …”what would constitute ’success’, and what would they do once they had achieved it?”…

    Back when “In Self Defense…” was an actual blog on blogspot, I wrote a lengthy post entitled, “Puzzles Of The Mind: Two Questions…”.

    It was supposed to be the beginning of a new series of posts (which only grew to two posts, thus far)…but, this was one amongst my pool of posts, which never got published.

    …Anyway, both posts are fairly confrontational, and deal with this very issue…Well…I don’t think I’ve gotten around to asking them what they’d do, after they’ve achieved “success” (I don’t believe they ever could, especially not in their own minds…not the fanatics who are obsessed).

    Maybe I’ll post it here, sometime…before (or when) it goes up at my official site.

    I’d be interested to see how you fashioned your own points, as compared to how I fashioned mine.

    …”there can be no resolution”…

    Exactly…and if anyone takes the time to look around, one thing they will notice over time, is what appears to be the utter non-existence of any type of clear cut goals, or agendas with measurable progress.

    Which leads us to the obvious questions…what are their war objectives?…and what are their rules of conduct?…

    Is this just a “free for all”, open to any kind of “thrill seeker”, or other needful and disturbed personality seeking a personal retribution?

    I can not say as I have even come across anything, from any official, “authoritative” organization, which clearly sets out a collection of exact, intended accomplishments [other than underhanded censorship, and more useless and abusive laws, new agencies, etc.], or a timetable in which they intend to realize these accomplishments.

    …They don’t even talk about such fundamental things, as doing real research on actual pedophiles…They just evoke the spooky language, and implore everyone to join in the witch hunt.

    Everything else seems to be a free fall, with loose rules…or none at all.

    What is the ultimate goal?…Few people have the nerve, to actually say it out in the open…

    Most of them will not define their goal…Maybe because they realize they can never attain it…or, maybe they don’t want to utter anything, which is blatantly parallel to genocide, and/or gross human rights violations.

    It is creepy, how even the “authorities”, wont (cant?) tell us where their intentions are heading…

    …”what would the Antis do with all that bitterness and hatred?”…

    …Probably kick their dog, a couple extra times a day…or find some other, defenseless thing to torture…

    “Perhaps it is here that Raven’s suggested form of activism would constitute something genuine.”

    I think Raven’s suggested activism is very important, and a critical part of our over all need to heal our cultural standing.

    However, I also think that this requires a number of other things in addition, to support it…before it can really come out, and play the role it was destined to play [we are talking about pleasuring boys, right?].

    If I thought that sucking boy cock could itself solve this problem, I’d be stuffing as many boy peni into my mouth, as came within fifty feet of me… ;-)

    …Well, not really, but I’d be enthusiastically active, in this arena, for sure…

    My quandary, is that if I ever got exposed…I could end up like an animal in a cage, for the rest of my natural life…swept under the rug, and out of public consciousness…

    Now, my life is not so grand, that this would be the most horrible thing ever imaginable…but, what would kill me, is losing my voice and being silenced.

    For me, that is what I hold onto…because this critical problem is not going to magically right itself, without people being vocal, and forcefully taking back their own rights…

    It’s not just a matter of enough people having happy sex…This is a legal and cultural battle, too.

  6. Strato Says:

    I know what you mean about new ideas. I have been thinking much along these lines recently. I suppose that a truly unique idea would have to generate something that hadn’t existed before. (In the sense that all the language games we, the Antis and LEA are currently involved in are merely concerned with recycling…language, actions, attacks, responses: it is all just part of a cycle.)

    Something new would require breaking that cycle. A force that arose in a way that hadn’t previously been conceived. On this point, the appeal of Raven’s suggestion (sex as civil disobedience) – theoretical, of course, since we couldn’t possibly publicly advocate it – is that it is an action that requests no reciprocity. That’s not to say that there wouldn’t be consequences (as you rightly point out), merely that it would not be part of the existing cycle that flows interminably between MAAs on one hand and Antis/LEA on the other.

    I think it would be interesting to keep this line of thinking flowing…

    I agree, too, with your observations as to the free fall nature of events. No end is in sight, because no end is possible. In a way, the anti-pedophile movement has so evolved over the past 30 years, that it has become almost devoid of meaning: there are no real ‘goals’, and indeed, the major players in the ‘war’ have no interest at all in the ‘war’ itself. It is the battle, the fight, that they thrive on, that they have built industries, incomes and lives around. Consequently (using the economic analogy of ‘capital’), its only interest is in regenerating itself. The capital does not care what it uses to do this, as long as the cycle is maintained. Hence my question about what would the Antis replace pedohysteria with…it must continue or be replaced, just as the cycle must continue or be replaced.

    All of which leads me to – the perhaps unpopular and unwelcome view – that in responding to the Antis/LEA etc., do we merely contribute to the flowing of this cycle? Perhaps our activities might be better directed towards measures outside the cycle, i.e. towards the boys, and towards other MAAs (particularly those who are in need of support, who don’t realize what resources are out there – or even that they are not alone).

    I’d be very interested to hear your thoughts, and definitely to read ‘Puzzles of the Mind….’

  7. Daniel Lièvre Says:

    It will eventually pile so high that it all falls back down on itself. That will be the main way that change comes about.

    It should however not be argued that organised activism is useless in this day and age. A philosophy and history must be referred to when things do eventually get moving. The early homosexual rights organisations did absolutely nothing for years, but where would “we” have been without their history, philosophy and support, once a war could be fought.

  8. Steve Diamond Says:

    …”that in responding to the Antis/LEA etc., do we merely contribute to the flowing of this cycle? Perhaps our activities might be better directed towards measures outside the cycle, i.e. towards the boys, and towards other MAAs (particularly those who are in need of support, who don’t realize what resources are out there – or even that they are not alone)”…

    I remember when I opened up my very first blog…the “infamous”…”In Self Defense…”…

    I had this plethora of ideas, emotions and needs, just waiting to burst out…and I had to put them out there, in front of the world…Let the world experience a glimpse, at the full spectrum of the mind of a pedophile…Let them ponder, and be burdened with how little it all is “black or white”…Let them understand, real people suffer from their harshness, their lack of understanding…and even their apathy…

    My target audience was never the fringe hate groups, like AZU…Those kinds of people are so far beyond help, I have no interest in associating with them, even as an adversary…

    …and believe me…In my earlier days, I had far and away, enough sparring matches with people like that, to satisfy my froggy side…Aside from sharpening up your own, keen sense of debate and argument…there is not much to be gained from even acknowledging the individual, actual presence of any one of those people.

    This is why, when I struck off onto my new project, I had a zero tolerance rule, for allowing people like that to post on my blog(s), and I did not even acknowledge any of them, except in a scantly few posts (Project C.E.L.I.B.A.T.E.)…and maybe a few times, in very vague references…

    My target audience was not those sorts of people, but “common” folk, who don’t live in the extremes…people who have an intellectual side to them, and who are not afraid to think outside of the box. People who can at least entertain the possibility that things “could” be different…and people who will acknowledge that social politics often take a crap on minorities, in awful and very undeserved ways.

    My intended audience, is the one which is informed and intelligent enough, to know the danger of censorship, understand what “propaganda” means…and realize that they cant trust half (or better) of what they see in the mainstream media…It can conceive that we MAA’s do have a valid complaint…

    …It’s the sorts of people who understand, the fact that George W. Bush is still U.S. president is proof positive that the USA has been hijacked, and has been in the midst of an attempted hostile takeover.

    I was never looking to the blind and foolish, for any kind of feedback…I already know what sort of bile and sewage will come from them…They are a lost cause…

    That being said…I will admit, that many of the things I write about, do attract those hostile minds who are roaming the internet, looking to pick a fight.

    …but, one of my golden rules, is never to name any of these individuals…and preferably never even acknowledge them…I stick to talking about repugnant behaviors, rather than talking about specific people who do those repugnant behaviors (with a few exceptions…like celebrity “news” hosts, etc)…

    The sad thing is, when the people engaged in those repugnant activities stumble across my writings, they get hopping mad because they experience the Cinderella complex…

    …the shoe fits…

    So, by default, I am talking about “them”…because they are the exact type who are behind the abhorrent behavior I am talking about.

    …What to do?…

    Considering the bottomless pit of malady, which people of that mindset, with this type of driven behavior, have been allowed to get away with at the detriment of untold millions…I am nowhere near the point, where I feel any sort of inclination to apologize…

    …In fact, I am quite happy to keep clubbing those sorts up side the head, with the realities of life…sticking it in their faces…making them look at it, smell it, taste it…

    …but, I’m not looking for any kind of friendship or alliance from them…I think, the best which can be expected from most of them, is that one day…they will eventually die…

    …and make the world a better place, because of their absence…

    [Is this sounding a bit to mean?...Rest assured, I'm being a bit sarcastic, also.]

    No, I don’t really go “round and round” with those people…I don’t know about every other vocal CL, but I try to refrain from that.

    I just put myself out there, for level minded people (and young people…kids, even…) to approach and observe…learn from…come to trust and like…learn from…

    It is true enough, that I have not honestly realized the fully fleshed out vision of ISD as of yet…I really wanted to infuse a lot more personal stories…a lot more of personal history, and recounts, than I actually have…but at my base, my style is that of writing about issues…which just means, by my very existence, I am an adversary for those who are vicious towards MAA’s.

    I believe, the very fact that I outwardly identify as an MAA, and don’t fit the stereotype, automatically makes me an enemy of those kinds of people…There is not much of a way I can see about getting around that.

    Do I think this means I should stop doing what I am doing?…

    What I am doing, is an exercise in many areas…Not only am I doing my small bit to communicate with the larger world…I am also filling a personal void…and I’m letting off bottled up steam, to help maintain my own sanity.

    Since returning to a very active presence online, in 2006…I have not done anything, with the intention of fighting with anyone…at all…

    I just needed more than anything, a forum where I could “talk to the world”…just an open line, between “me and the world”…where anything can be said…any concept explored…any grievance can be aired…

    …and yes, in nicer wording, I can even let the world know, what a horrible, nasty, skunk behind licker, it can be…

    It feels sooooo good, to have the shoe on the other foot, for a, long overdue, change.

    Ultimately, I try to just maintain a high level of class, and show compassion and humanity towards others…while taking about very sensitive issues…

    I would not stop doing this, even if someone offered to pay me to stop…I’ll stop when I am dead.

    I just think there is something far bigger than any of us, on any side of this conflict…and that is the welfare and well being of “the people”…including minorities, because they are part of “the people”…

    Wherever I see individuals being abused by the system, I will speak out…because abused individuals (very much including people like us), are often, eventually the ones who crack, explode…turn on the public…They become the violent, mentally ill ones. Nobody profits from this…except those exploiting it…The larger public is harmed, immeasurably…and deeply.

    I think this needs to be talked about, frequently and by many, many, many people.

    It is the reason why I write, and build websites…and am venturing into a few new areas, too…but, I stick around writing, because that is what I am relatively good at.

    Does this feed into the cycle?…

    …Does it keep the cycle going?…

    There is no doubt, that hateful, venom spewing people will come out of the woodwork, whenever someone like us tries to take a seat at the table (this is probably more an aspect of being online, where hostile minds are more at ease to expose themselves). Some of them will form groups, and try to harass us, stalk us, censor us, hurt us in any way they can.

    I say, “let them”…and here is why…

    …The message that we carry with us, is far more important than the discomfort of being bashed by a handful of hatemongers.

    The hatemongers act exactly like what they are…fringe fanatics…extremists…people who can not be trusted, to hold any sort of fair, balanced or reasoned stance…and hence, have no place in the decision making process…They are dangerous in such positions…not only to us, but to the public at large.

    That exposure is a side benefit.

    …but, really…I just think there needs to be people “carrying the torch”…even in the face of extreme adversity…and there needs to be a lot of us carrying that torch.

    We keep alive an idea…So long as an idea is still alive, it always has hope for realization.

    For me, this was never about fighting with antis…

    By default, I may have metaphorically delivered two black eyes, a bloody nose, a busted lip, and quite a few knocked out teeth (maybe some twisted arms and broken knee caps)…to those who are already inclined to be offended, at any of the issues I might address, or the manner in which I approach them…

    …but, you know what?…I can not stop that…They are going to be mad, regardless…

    What people like myself do, is akin to squeezing the puss out of an infection…It is very messy, and initially, there is a lot more immediate inflammation…but, eventually there is healing…

    …If we all set around doing nothing, the infection will get worse, and become far more threatening.

    I don’t want that…So, I do something.

    No matter when things change, there is going to be strong resistance. What we are seeing today, should just be seen as a necessary part of the process.

    Can we do other things aside from writing?…Of course…and I am hoping that one new resource I am working on, might blossom into a resource…which can have a future impact on both children and MAA’s…

    I think we have a lot of work ahead of us…organizing…creating new resources…Not just things online, but resources which can impact life offline.

    I would really like to see us move in a direction, where we collectively start amassing not just a wealth of knowledge, history and philosophy…but financial wealth, as well…Find the doers amongst us, who are willing to contribute to and nurture an investment fund.

    I look back at the crisis BoyChat faced about a year ago, and how I was astonished at the way even the old school came out of the woodwork…and we amassed $30,000 (thirty thousand dollars) in pledges, in only two to three days…

    …and I think to myself…”Where has this level of dedication been, all this time?”…and, “Think of what we could have done with that kind of consistent support, over the last ten years”…

    I am not sure all of it actually came into BC’s coffers…but that is beside the point…Much of it did…

    …enough so to prove, that there are MAA’s who can give, when they believe in something enough (or at least are incensed enough by someone else’s behavior), to prod them into real life action.

    We need a lot of things…and I do not imply that money solves all problems…

    …but, this is an idea that has been floating around in my head, the last week or so…

    What if we were able to find 100 MAA’s, who were willing to consistently donate even just five dollars a month, which would go into an investment account?

    …After twelve months, that would be $6,000 (six thousand dollars), plus interest (and some investment funds can do quite well, on returning interest).

    …What about five years down the road?…ten?…fifteen?…

    …What if everyone is giving twenty dollars a month?…Fifty?…maybe some are padding the fund more, when they can?…

    I have no doubts at all, that given enough people and enough time, we could put together quite a massive amount of collective wealth…which we can actually do something with…even if we only used the interest earned from that wealth.

    We could donate a portion to children’s charities…We could issue grants to pro MAA resources and projects…We could even set up a crisis fund, for immediate emergencies experienced by those in our network.

    I am a firm believer, that we need to establish some sort of safety net, like this…When we cant count on the outside world, we should be able to count on the collective, MAA network…(and not just a few trusted individuals, who have the money to spare, for isolated situations).

    Controlling large amounts of money, brings with it power…just look at “perverted justice”…a group of foolish nobodies, who would still nobodies, if it were not for the multi-billion dollar NBC pumping large sums of cash into their group. All that free money, is what has allowed them to become such a pain in the behind, to the world in general.

    Think of what we could do, if we commanded a million dollars in wealth…and it just kept growing…

    If enough dedicated people could envision such a thing…We could do this.

    …My point is…well…Yes, I know there are a lot more things do be doing, than just writing, and confronting what is going on…

    …and I very much believe, we need to get to work, doing those kinds of things, as well.

    I hope I’ve answered your question…

  9. Strato Says:

    Cripes….that’ll teach me to post stream-of-consciousness style!

    Just to respond in general terms – before proceeding to a more specific reply – my comment about the value of activism was in no way intended to suggest that it is a pointless task…and my apologies if that is the way it came across. I was really just pondering (aloud, so to speak/write) whether responding directly to Antis was an efficient use of our resources (i.e. time) versus other activities that we could engage in.

    Activism obviously does not have the sole goal of effecting change; it fulfills many other purposes as well, e.g. indicating to other CLs that they are not alone, assisting to combat feelings of helplessness, exorcising emotional frustrations, openly demonstrating to the world at large that CLs will not lie down and play dead, etc. etc. All such purposes have value, and I would not for a second think to denigrate them. It is particularly important that there are CLs active on the web, writing blogs, sharing ideas, and so on. The reason for this is perfectly encapsulated in Steve’s comment that there must be people ‘carrying the torch’. Both ISD and Newgon are incredibly important projects, and I am delighted that they are both courageously taking a stand.

    My (obviously ill-expressed!) point was merely to proffer the thought that activism should in addition have a practical side. Let’s assume for a moment that things are not going to improve in the near or longer-term. What about our fellow CLs and the boys/girls who are suffering in the present?

    I very much support Steve’s comment about the idea of a fund of some sort, a safety net. There are practicalities to consider – CLs who are not out, for example, will have to find ways of contributing in as anonymous a manner as possible. But these are merely practicalities, and I would love to see this idea turned into reality.

    Similarly, I often think about our compadres who are incarcerated as political prisoners (those who have been convicted for consensual relationships, possession of KP, targeted for their activism via spurious charges, etc). I would like to think that there is some way to demonstrate to them that they have not just been abandoned. Even if it involved letter-writing, and so on. Again, there are practicalities, but surely not insurmountable?

    Ultimately – and I think it is important to face this fact – we will not change society through our activism…though such activism may, as Dan mentioned, add to the foundation of future initiatives. However, we can nevertheless hope to improve some individual lives in the present.

  10. Steve Diamond Says:

    Not to worry, Strato. :-)

    My long response (which could be a post in and of itself, and may very well end up being one, elsewhere), was just something that flowed out of me as I began to respond to your response.

    It’s several things that have been on my mind lately. I was not presenting a case to defend myself…just explaining where my own rational has gone, as regards to my own activities.

    I didn’t think you were being critical, or dismissive of anything.

    I agree, that “I” wont change the world…Maybe some small nooks in the world will get a boost from what I do, but the best I think I can hope for, is that maybe a few quotes from me, or even a handful of passages, might make it into literature books someday, chronicling the suffrage of childlovers (and teenlovers) in their fight for equality, civil and human rights…

    That’s probably a pipe dream, though…and other voices will be recognized instead of ours…We’ll be forgotten…our words scattered to the winds…

    I agree with you also, that political prisoners need to be remembered…I need to get into contact with a few of them, myself…(I’ve a history of doing that, with close friends).

    All the best…

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